Logic In Advocacy: How To Correct Pre-Vegan Arguments Using Rational Thought

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I’m making separate posts on individual issues related to Veganism, so that anyone who wants a handy reference guide to each issue won’t have to go through my entire link list to find it. The links included in each individual post may not be updated regularly, so the Master List will be the only place to find complete updates. These posts will be comprehensive enough to cover most or all questions related to each issue however.

Disclaimer: My only goal with this list is to produce as comprehensive a resource for Vegan information as possible. I am 100% Abolitionist Vegan and 100% against exploitation of nonhuman and human animals, any type of violence against human or nonhuman persons or property, welfare regulation, any form of speciesism, ethnic bigotry, genderism, ableism, heterosexism, etc., any of the large governmental or non-governmental nonhuman animal organizations, “happy meat,” vegetarianism, veg*nism, Meat-Out Mondays, or other forms of reductionism and anything else that makes it seem like any form of violence or exploitation of animals is ok. If any of those positions are endorsed on any site in this list, or any language is used to imply that, it’s not that I included that link because I agree, but simply because I don’t control every bit of information on all of these sites.

When educating, and discussing the issues of Veganism and Animal Rights, we often find ourselves running across various myths, misconceptions and logical fallacies, simply because a lot of people hold irrational beliefs and ideas for long periods of time without bothering to check the facts. Hopefully, this post will help us dispel some of those irrational ideas.

Sub-Section 1B19:
Logic And Myth Regarding Advocacy In Terms Of Veganism And Animal Rights:

Sub-Section 1B19a:
Video Section:

“Speciesism. A Debate”:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLmnt63VGgc

“Colleen Patrick-Goudreau: Debunking the Myths of Veganism”:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=od_cqvr-ueY

“Meat Creates Jobs That People Would Lose in a Vegan World”:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_tRaMpmFJ8

“How Wolves Change Rivers”:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysa5OBhXz-Q

“Stop Social Conditioning Now”:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGVuHFfX1DmTNnWiVEqIpCA

“VERSUS: The Amazing Atheist | Video Response [Part 1]”:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIacX8rPoKw

“VERSUS: MrRepzion | Video Response [Part 1]”:

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Sub-Section 1B19b:
Text-Based Links:

Sub-Section 1B16b1:
Effective Argumentation:

“Think Again: How to Reason and Argue”:
https://www.coursera.org/course/thinkagain

“How To Not Lose An Argument”:
http://lesswrong.com/lw/3k/how_to_not_lose_an_argument

The Continuum Fallacy at Wikipedia:
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Continuum_fallacy
http://lesswrong.com/lw/mm/the_fallacy_of_gray

“To change Attitudes, Don’t Argue — Agree, Extremely”:
http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-paradoxical-thinking-20140715-story.html
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Sub-Section 1B19b2:
Lists Of Fallacies In Regards To Veganism:

“FAQs”:
http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/faqs

“Animal Rights Q&A”:
http://www.despinarosales.com/articlesanimalsQ&A.htm

Catalog Of Logical Fallacies:
http://cruelty-free.org/science/part-1-catalog-of-logical-fallacies-used-to-justify-inhumanity

Animal Rights and Vegan Discussion Fallacies:
http://www.yourcybercourt.info/fallacies/list.html

“Most Common Objections to Being Vegan”:
http://freefromharm.org/tag/most-common-objections-to-being-vegan

“Frequently Asked Questions about Veganism”:
http://www.idausa.org/vegandays/faq.html

“Eating Animals: Addressing Our Most Common Justifications”:
http://freefromharm.org/eating-animals-addressing-our-most-common-justifications

“Master List Of Logical Fallacies”:
http://utminers.utep.edu/omwilliamson/ENGL1311/fallacies.htm
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Sub-Section 1B19b3:
The Myth Of Human Superiority:

The Truth About Human Supremacy:
https://legacyofpythagoras.wordpress.com/2015/02/07/are-humans-superior

“What scientific idea is ready for retirement?” (of note is the answer by Irene Pepperberg):
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/jan/12/what-scientific-idea-is-ready-for-retirement-edge-org
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Sub-Section 1B19b4:
The “What Would Happen To All The Animals” argument:

“HOW TO RESPOND TO…”IF EVERYONE WENT VEGAN, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO ALL THE FARM ANIMALS?”:
http://www.veganmainstream.com/2013/06/21/how-to-respond-to-if-everyone-went-vegan-what-would-happen-to-all-the-farm-animals

“What Will Happen to the Animals if Everyone Goes Vegan?”:
http://animalrights.about.com/od/animalrights101/a/What-Will-Happen-To-The-Animals-If-Everyone-Goes-Vegan.htm

“10 Reasons You Should NOT Go Vegan”:
http://www.theveganwoman.com/10-reasons-you-should-not-go-vegan

“What Would Happen To The Animals?”:
http://www.vegansoapbox.com/what-would-happen-to-the-animals
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Sub-Section 1B19b5:
Logical Errors About Vivisection:

http://speakingofresearch.com/2013/10/29/some-animal-rights-philosophers-say-the-darndest-things
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/animal-rights/why-debate-when-you-can-publish-unopposed-nonsense
http://www.afma-curedisease.org/pdf/ringach.pdf
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Sub-Section 1B19b6:
Anti-“Former Vegan” Arguments:

“Facing Failing Health On A Vegan Diet”:
http://bonzaiaphrodite.com/2013/01/facing-failing-health-on-a-vegan-diet

“What The Blonde Vegan & Carrie On Vegan Can Teach Us About Eating Healthfully”:
http://itdoesnttastelikechicken.com/2014/07/17/what-the-blonde-vegan-carrie-on-vegan-can-teach-us-about-eating-healthfully

“How to Gain Fame and Fortune as an Ex-Vegan in Roughly Five Easy Steps?…”:
http://veganfeministagitator.blogspot.com/2014/07/how-to-gain-fame-and-fortune-as-ex.html
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Sub-Section 1B19b7:
“Blood Type” Arguments:

“It’s not about your blood type, research shows”:
http://news.utoronto.ca/popular-diet-theory-debunked

“Cusack Leila, et al, Blood type diets lack supporting evidence: a systematic review. Am J Clin Nutr, July 2013; ajcn.058693.”
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/early/2013/05/22/ajcn.113.058693

“Moen T., Blood Type Diet—science or fantasy. Tidsskr Nor Laegeforen. 2001 Jan 30;121(3):355-8”
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11242883
http://nutritionfacts.org/questions/the-blood-type-diet-fact-or-fiction
http://pcrm.org/health/diets/ffl/newsletter/eat-right-for-your-blood-type

“blood type diet”:
http://www.skepdic.com/bloodtypediet.html

“Blood Type Diet Debunked”:
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/blood-type-diet-debunked

“Diets (Fad)”:
http://www.veganfolks.com/resources#diets-fad
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Sub-Section 1B19b8:
The “Veganism Kills Babies” Argument:

Vegan child death misrepresented:
http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/baby-breastfed-by-vegan-mother-dies

Non-vegan child death (18-month-old, Vermilion, OH, USA):
http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/356695/28/Toddler-dies-of-starvation-parents-arrested

Non-vegan child death (1-year-old, village of Makho in Black Sea region of Adjara, Georgia): http://www.rustavi2.com/news/news_text.php?id_news=48443&pg=1&im=main

Non-vegan child death (2-month-old, Thibodaux, LA, USA):
http://www.wdsu.com/Investigators-Baby-Died-From-Severe-Malnutrition-Mother-Arrested/13388494

Non-vegan child death (Phoenix, AZ, USA):
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/22810569/2013/07/10/phoenix-police-investigate-child-death

Non-vegan child death (14-month-old, Seymour Johnson Air Force Base, N.C.):
http://www.airforcetimes.com/article/20130701/NEWS06/307010037/Baby-N-C-airman-died-from-severe-malnutrition-autopsy-says

Vegan child death (11-month-old, parents: Joel and Sergine Le Moaligou, France): http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/apr/01/joel-sergine-le-moaligou-convicted

Vegan child death (6-month-old, parents: Deborah and Roby Jan Moorhead, Auckland, New Zealand, 2002):

Vegan child death (6-weeks-old, child: Crown Shakur, parents: Jade Sanders, 27, and Lamont Thomas, 31, Atlanta, Georgia, USA 2004):

Vegan child deaths:
http://naturalhygienesociety.org/diet-veganbaby.html

Vegan child death (6-months-old, child: Woyah, parents: Joseph Andressohn, 36, and Lamoy Andressohn, 30, Florida, USA):

Vegan child death (15-months-old, Joseph and Silva Swinton, Queens, NY, USA, 2003):
“6.9 million children under the age of five died in 2011.” “About one third of all child deaths are linked to malnutrition.”

That equals 2.3 MILLION babies that died in 2011 from malnutrition around the world. Almost all were not on a vegan diet:
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs178/en

“Deficiencies of vitamin A and zinc result in deaths”
“deficiencies of iodine and iron, together with stunting, can contribute to children not reaching their developmental potential”:
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/malnutrition-causes-45-per-cent-of-deaths-of-underfive-children-report/article4788613.ece

The main causes of death in malnutrition:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6433943

The Lancet: Nearly half of all child deaths caused by malnutrition:
“malnutrition is now responsible for around 3·1 million deaths in children under five annually.”: http://www.savethechildren.org.uk/2013-06/lancet-nearly-half-all-child-deaths-caused-malnutrition

Vitamin and mineral deficiencies affect up to two billion people:
http://www.gainhealth.org/about-malnutrition/vitamin-and-mineral-deficiencies#footnoteref2_co9jpm3

Examples of elements added to fortify non-vegan foods: Iodized Salt, Folic Acid, Niacin, Vitamin D, Calcium:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortified_food#Examples_of_fortified_foods
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Sub-Section 1B19b9:
The “Meat Made Us Smarter” Argument:

“Meat made us smarter”:
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=576017022506358&id=575976675843726

“WHY “MEAT MADE US SMART” IS A DUMB IDEA”:
http://www.thediscerningbrute.com/2013/03/20/why-meat-made-us-smart-is-a-dumb-idea

“Why you can all stop saying meat eating fueled evolution of larger brains right now”:
http://evolvinghealthscience.blogspot.com.au/2012/12/why-you-can-all-stop-saying-meat-eating.html?m=1

“Brain frontal lobes not sole centre of human intelligence”:
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2013-05/du-bfl051013.php

“It’s Curtains For The Expensive Tissue Hypothesis”:
http://paleovegan.blogspot.co.uk/2011/11/its-curtains-for-expensive-tissue.html

“Energetics and the evolution of human brain size”:
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v480/n7375/full/nature10629.html

“Speciesist Science: Animal Flesh & Human Brain Evolution: Dispelling Myths”:
http://us6.campaign-archive1.com/?u=a17b6bb876e4ee5e67084608d&id=c643f3a690&e=f5094e8bf2

“Our Brains Need Cholesterol”:
http://plantpositive.com/22-cholesterol-confusion-5-cho
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Sub-Section 1B19b10:
The “Plants Are Sentient” Argument:

“The Ad Plantarum Fallacy: Because Plants Don’t Have Feelings”:
http://veganhedonists.com/blogs/ad-plantarum-fallacy-because-plants-dont-have-feelings

“People For the Ethical Treatment of Plants: 4 Reasons Why the “Plant Sentience” Argument Doesn’t Work”:
http://veganrabbit.com/2013/03/18/plant-sentience-and-pain

“Broccoli vs. Animals?”:
http://www.vegetus.org/essay/plants.htm

“But Plants Have Feelings, Too!”:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mikko-alanne/plant-feelings_b_932305.html
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Sub-Section 1B19b11:
What’s Wrong With Vegetarianism?:

Some Comments on Vegetarianism as a “Gateway” to Veganism:
http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/some-comments-on-vegetarianism-as-a-gateway-to-veganism
http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/media/pdf/the-vegan-2010spring.pdf

“What Is Wrong with Vegetarianism?”:
http://uvearchives.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/what-is-wrong-with-vegetarianism

“A CALL TO VEGETARIANS” by Angel Flinn:
http://thevegantruth.blogspot.com.tr/search/label/A%20Call%20to%20Vegetarians
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Sub-Section 1B19b12:
The “Veganism Kills More Animals In Crop Production” Argument”:

“Veganism: less grain for cattle, fewer animals killed in grain fields”:
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/scienceshow/vegetariansim3a–less-grains-for-animals2c-less-animals-kille/4679802

“Contrasting Harms: Vegan Agriculture versus Animal Agriculture”:
http://uvearchives.wordpress.com/2008/01/01/contrasting-harms-vegan-agriculture-versus-animal-agriculture
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Sub-Section 1B19b13:
The “Using Animals Is Natural” Argument:

“Two Arguments For Eating Animals: It’s Natural and Animals Do It Too”:
http://freefromharm.org/animal-products-and-culture/two-arguments-for-eating-animals-its-natural-and-animals-do-it-too

“Does Evolution Have a Gun to Our Head to Eat Animals?”:
http://freefromharm.org/animal-products-and-ethics/evolution-gun-head-eat-animals
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Sub-Section 1B19b13:
The “Savory Approach” Argument:

Grass-Fed Beef Is Not Better For The Environment:
http://www.examiner.com/article/environmental-experts-grass-fed-beef-not-more-eco-friendly-than-grain-fed-beef

“Alan Savory: Eat Meat and Save the World?”:
http://www.monbiot.com/2014/08/04/eat-meat-and-save-the-world

“Saving the World With Livestock? The Allan Savory Approach Examined”:
http://freefromharm.org/agriculture-environment/saving-the-world-with-livestock-the-allan-savory-approach-examined

“Holistic Management: Misinformation on the Science of Grazed Ecosystems”:
http://www.hindawi.com/journals/ijbd/2014/163431

“Cows Against Climate Change: The Dodgy Science Behind the TED Talk”:
http://www.inexactchange.org/blog/2013/03/11/cows-against-climate-change
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Sub-Section 1B19b14:
Responses To Specific Single Fallacies:

“Moral Concern, Moral Impulse, and Logical Argument in Animal Rights Advocacy”:
http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/moral-concern-moral-impulse-and-logical-argument-in-animal-rights-advocacy

Why Is Sentience Important?:
http://freefromharm.org/animal-rights/sentience-according-to-gary-francione

“Veganism: Morality, Health, and the Environment”:
http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/veganism-morality-health-and-the-environment

“Single-Issue Campaigns and the Adoption/Fostering of Homeless Nonhuman Animals”:
http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/single-issue-campaigns-and-the-adoptionfostering-of-homeless-nonhuman-animals

“Human Rights And Animal Rights: Perfect Together”:
http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/human-rights-and-animal-rights-perfect-together

“Vegans Are Hypocrites”:
http://www.veganise.me/vegan-faq-4-arent-vegans-hypocrites

Answers to fallacies by “Veganator”:
“It is all about calories in versus calories burned”:
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=578641618910565&id=575976675843726

“But dairy builds strong bones”:
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=576533429121384&id=575976675843726

“Humans can eat meat, so that means we are omnivores”:
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=576018982506162&id=575976675843726

“I have a slow metabolism which is why I am overweight”:
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=576010179173709&id=575976675843726

In Vitro Meat Is Still Exploitation Of Animals:
http://aphilosophersblog.wordpress.com/2013/08/13/6-reasons-why-you-should-not-support-in-vitro-meat
http://www.examiner.com/article/in-vitro-meat-has-no-place-animal-rights-campaigns

“Why Hitler Was Not a Vegetarian” by Rynn Berry:
http://www.vegsource.com/berry/hitler.html

“An Open Letter to the Facebook Commenter Who Said that Vegans Are Hippie Fascists”:
http://veganfeministagitator.blogspot.com/2014/02/an-open-letter-to-facebook-commenter.html

“People Are Not Vegan Because Of You” by Gary Smith:
http://thethinkingvegan.com/articles/people-are-not-vegan-because-of-you

“Animal Suffering Isn’t An Enigma So Let’s Get Over It”:
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/animal-emotions/201408/animal-suffering-isnt-enigma-so-lets-get-over-it

“Are Vegetarians Less Healthy than Meat-Eaters?”:
http://www.theveganrd.com/2014/04/are-vegetarians-less-healthy-than-meat-eaters.html

“Top 10 Retorts to Hunter Fallacies”:
http://exposingthebiggame.wordpress.com/2013/05/02/top-10-retorts-to-hunters-fallacies

“Where Do Humans Really Rank on the Food Chain?”:
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/where-do-humans-really-rank-on-the-food-chain-180948053

“Members of the Maasai Tribe of Kenya Request IFA’s Help”:
http://www.ifundafrica.org/md/news/260-members-of-the-maasai-tribe-of-kenya-request-ifas-help.html

“If You Were Alone on a Deserted Island With a Pig, Would You Eat the Pig?”:
http://kirschnerskorner.wordpress.com/2013/03/15/if-you-were-alone-on-a-deserted-island-with-a-pig-would-you-eat-the-pig

http://www.vegcomic.com/2013/01/ask-a-stupid-question

“Don’t Tell Me What To Do”:
http://gentleworld.org/dont-tell-me-what-to-do

“The Abolitionist Zombie: Am I A Mindless Follower Of Gary Francione?”:
https://legacyofpythagoras.wordpress.com/2014/06/10/the-abolitionist-zombie

“Five Reasons Why Meat-Eating Cannot Be Considered A Personal Choice”:
http://freefromharm.org/animal-products-and-psychology/five-reasons-why-meat-eating-cannot-be-considered-a-personal-choice

“Veganism as a Minimum Standard of Decency”:
http://uvearchives.wordpress.com/2009/02/20/veganism-as-a-minimum-standard-of-decency

“Horse Riding Isn’t Vegan”:
http://www.bitesizevegan.com/is-horse-riding-cruel-is-it-vegan.html

“Your Love Of Quinoa Is Good News For Andean Farmers”:
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2013/07/16/202737139/is-our-love-of-quinoa-hurting-or-helping-farmers-who-grow-it
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Sub-Section 1B19b15:
Miscellaneous Links:

Rbutr App.:
http://blog.rbutr.com/2014/02/introducing-the-rbutr-iframe-rbutr-anywhere-anytime-any-platform-link-to-misinformation-safely

Tom Billings and beyondveg.com:
http://www.ecologos.org/tb.htm

“Rhys Southan’s attempt to discredit veganism”:
http://www.veggieboards.com/t/141776/rhys-southans-attempt-to-discredit-veganism

“Harriet Hall’s ‘Critique’ of Greger’s “Uprooting the Leading Causes of Death” by Don Matesz:
http://donmatesz.blogspot.com/2013/02/harriet-halls-critique-of-gregers.html

“Calling Out Sam Harris”:
http://magnusvinding.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/calling-out-sam-harris.html

“Ethical Arguments Against Ethical Veganism”:
http://www.ourhenhouse.org/2014/07/the-ethical-arguments-against-ethical-veganism-2

“Science Reveals How The Brains Of Social Justice Activists Are Different From Everyone Else’s”:
http://mic.com/articles/92253/science-reveals-how-the-brains-of-social-justice-activists-are-different-from-everyone-else-s


Sub-Section 2B4:
Miscellaneous:
Almost every major medical organization condemns the consumption of animal substances:
https://legacyofpythagoras.wordpress.com/2014/06/15/doctors-think-animal-substances-are-healthy

Database Of Vegan scientific articles:
http://www.veganfolks.com/vegan-scientific-articles

If you’re not already Vegan, and you think animals matter morally, then please go Vegan. It’s easy and great for you, incredible for the animals, and wonderful for the planet. If you’re already Vegan, please educate non-Vegans about why they should go Vegan. Please rescue, volunteer, adopt, foster, spay, and neuter the nonhuman refugees of domestication whenever you can. Please feed your nonhuman family Vegan where you can. These things are the most important, morally responsible things to do and are desperately needed by everyone.

To learn more about Abolitionist Veganism and the issues I’ve outlined in this post, check out The Master List Of Vegan Info:
https://legacyofpythagoras.wordpress.com/2014/04/10/master-list-of-vegan-info

Disclaimer: My only goal with this list is to produce as comprehensive a resource for Vegan information as possible. I am 100% Abolitionist Vegan and 100% against exploitation of nonhuman or human animals, any type of violence against human or nonhuman persons or property, welfare regulation, any form of speciesism, ethnic bigotry, genderism, ableism, heterosexism, etc., any of the large governmental or non-governmental nonhuman animal organizations, “happy meat,” vegetarianism, veg*nism, Meat-Free Mondays, or other forms of reductionism and anything else that makes it seem like any form of violence or exploitation of animals is ok. If any of those positions are endorsed on any site in this list, or any language is used to imply that, it’s not that I included that link because I agree, but simply because I don’t control every bit of information on all of these sites.

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